“Traffic safety is issue on Rte 2, especially East of Hunter River. For example, see video with cars not stopping for school bus. Another specific problem is accessing the driveways on the downside of the hill going into Charlottetown from Hunter River – I have a letter from former MLA Bertram indicating she would look into this. The suggestion is that the 50km/hr zone be moved back to the upside of the hill prior to the crest. Photo radar is an option that should also be considered. Definitely something not right on the island. Motor vehicle accidents are certainly a lousy way to waste a life.”
Jul 25, 2017 – Email from Rte 2 resident almost hit coming out of driveway:
“Well it was close…the recurrent nightmare we have of getting run over or hit coming out of our driveway was a near reality yesterday.
“Mr. Trivers: Thank you, Chair. Speeding is a huge issue in District 18, Rustico-Emerald, and I’d imagine many other places on the Island, especially going through communities.
Sep 16, 2016 – Rte 2 resident reports that while son boarding school bus, a motorist again passed while lights flashing and stop sign extended. No police around to observe and charge. Incident reported Dept of Education, MLA, and RCMP.
Sep 6, 2016 – The Guardian – Police charge young driver for passing school bus
Police wasted little time driving home a zero tolerance policy towards motorists passing school buses.
Sep 6, 2016 – CBC – Driver charged for passing stopped school bus near Hunter River
A 17-year-old driver is ‘essentially walking’ after RCMP say they caught him passing a school bus that was stopped with its red lights flashing.
RCMP said in a news release they had every available resource on the road for the first day of school. Police were focusing on high-volume school bus zones with both marked and unmarked cars.
The ticket was handed out at 8:20 a.m. on Route 2 just outside Hunter River. The driver had a graduated licence.
“The school bus was stopped with its lights flashing with their parents there to watch their children climb aboard,” said Cpl. Chris Gunn in a news release.
“Within seconds, the driver was stopped by marked cars positioned nearby. The driver was issued a Summary Offence Ticket for $1000 and 8 demerit points. As a result, this driver is now essentially walking.”
RCMP said they plan to be very visible in enforcing rules around school buses this year.
Informal Facebook poll April 1, 2016
November 23, 2015 2:24 pm the Minister of Transportation stated by email:
“Brad we are getting something together for you and will get it finalized. I just want to be sure it is in line with what our policies are.“
Historical information as it relates to the possible use of photo radar and/or red light cameras in PEI (November 23, 2015 11:51 am – from Dept of Transportation and Infrastructure Renewal)
- PDF – PHOTO RADAR and RED LIGHT CAMERAS
- January 1999 – Legislative Proposal submitted to allow for Red Light Cameras as recommended by Charlottetown Police Services.
- June 2001 – PEI Chief`s of Police request amendments to the Highway Traffic Act to allow for red light cameras and photo radar.
- January 2004 – City of Charlottetown in media requesting Red Light Cameras at intersections. Department receives letter from Chief Smith City PD requesting new legislation for photo radar and red light cameras.
- January 2005 – Guardian Editorial “ Photo Radar an Idea Worth Shelving”
- March 2006 – Guardian Editorial “ Photo Radar – efficient, but is it effective”
- November 2006 – Charlottetown City Council requests Minister Gail Shea allow legislation for photo radar.
– Liberal MLA Richard Brown states he would bring private members Bill forward in support.
- August 2007 – City of Charlottetown requested Province bring forward legislation to allow for photo radar
- Spring 2008 – Province amends the Highway Traffic Act to allow for the registered owner of a motor vehicle to be charged for an offence committed by the driver of the vehicle. Necessary change to allow for photo radar and red light camera violations.
- May 2009 – TIR and City officials met to discuss next steps to create draft legislation.
- May 2011 – Highway Safety Division developing draft legislation / discussion documents / jurisdictional scan
- Draft legislation was not completed by Highway Safety Division in 2011, a review of other jurisdictions was completed.
- June 2012 – New Technologies under review for PEI Road Safety Strategy
- February 2013 – PEI Summit on Impaired Driving – new technologies and legislation reviewed for red light cameras and photo radar
- October 2015 – Road to Zero approach for Minister to further explore new technologies ie: photo radar and red light cameras. (Road to Zero is an unofficial phrase used at Highway Safety for probably 10 to 15 years to describe various safety related programs.)
November 17, 2015 – Question Period – School Bus Safety – Steven Myers
Video by Claude McNeill of Brookfield (Rte 2) – November, 2015
November 12, 2015 the Minister of Transportation stated by email:
“We have done a lot of homework on this subject over the years and did run a few pilots using photo radar across the province and in Chtown for statistical purposes using the RCMP and City Police. We have allowed for this partially in legislation in 2008.“
“I hope the recent spate of deaths on our roads, along with the video of cars speeding by a stopped school bus on Rte 2 will spur the government to action.
Living on Rte 2 at Hunter River within sight of the electronic speed monitor has been an eye-opener. This is a location where cars crest a hill on a curve with four blind driveways. Traffic then descends a steep hill and crosses one of the islands busiest uncontrolled intersection, before entering a school zone.
Cars and large trucks typically go thru the speed monitor at 25km over the 50km limit. Speeds of 80 or 90 km/h can be expected every few minutes and occasionally the speed monitor shows nothing for a vehicle, which means they are going over 100. Not only is it disrespectful to people who live in the community, it makes simple things like leaving your driveway or crossing a road incredibly risky.
It’s is no wonder if you look at the national stats for deaths/km travelled, you will find PE disturbingly close to top of the list. It varies year to year, but PE will typically show up only below Yukon Territories and Nunavut for the most deaths for distance travelled. Ontario’s roads are roughly 3x safer than here. I predict this year we will be second only to a territory that drives on ice-roads most of the year! It boils down to two problems…excessive speed and impaired drivers.
The speed problem, I believe, is due to the fact people can speed here with no likelihood of being caught. I’ve been told that RCMP forces dedicated to traffic amounts to two officers for the whole island and in the event of an incident like an impaired, both may be off the road for hours.
I actually doubt that RCMP sitting on highways is an effective use of their time or our money. RCMP cruiser presence on highways is a Whack-a-Mole game. A more effective approach would be to follow both Alberta and Quebec in adding photo-radar to the system.
Photo-radar is the rare infrastructure item that pays for itself and is statistically proven to reduce life wasting accidents. Emissions even get reduced along with speed and the revenue generated can be directed to more staffing and programs for other big policing challenges like impaired driving and substance abuse.
It’s 2015 and infrastructure money is available. Time to effectively use today’s technology to make this a better, safer place.
Robert & Beverly Budd
Perspectives on Photo Radar
- “A couple of perspectives on photo-radar here….Alberta and Quebec. Both seem statistically convinced that speed/fatalities are reduced.
York in the GTA is pushing for it as well, but the On. prov. gov’t is so sensitized to the subject after Harris won an election on scrapping it, that I doubt they will ever have the courage. Might be some practical sense, in that a busy 401 can turn into a congestion nightmare if there is even a wiff of a speed trap ahead.”
All the “photo radar” instances mentioned in the legislature since 1997 can be found by searching hansard:
For example, Richard Brown on Dec 7, 2006 to Minister Gail Shea:“Mr. R. Brown: […] If only we could take it one step further and introduce photo radar in Prince Edward Island, maybe we can stop some of the speeders and save some of the children at vital points in Prince Edward Island. I notice the minister of industry doesn’t like photo radar, but I think its time is here and we should be doing something (Indistinct). Thank you, Mr. Speaker.”
Another one between Minister Ronnie MacKinley and Mike Currie on Oct 23, 2007 has Mike Currie trying to pin MacKinley as bringing in photo radar as a negative.
Links to statistics comparing PEI with rest of Canada
“Saskatchewan shows up occasionally as worse than PEI as well as Yukon and Nunavut, but still not pretty. Pretty sure PEI will show up second to Nunavut this year.”
August 6, 2014 – Letter from MLA Carolyn Bertram regarding traffic issues in Hunter River